Coaches Talk- Part 2: Why Mastery, Mentorship, and Obsession With the Craft Still Matter


KEY TAKEAWAYS:

  1. Great coaching is built on mastery, not trends.
    Longevity in the industry comes from reps, mentorship, and an obsession with the craft — not chasing what’s popular or flashy.

  1. Mentorship is a responsibility, not a buzzword.
    The best coaches don’t just seek guidance; they give it back, raising the standard of the entire industry in the process.

  2. Integrity is the real business strategy.
    Building something you’re proud of ten years from now requires patience, values-driven decisions, and a commitment to doing coaching the right way.


Some conversations are too important to squeeze into a single episode. That’s exactly why this podcast with Luka Hocevar became a two-part series — and honestly, why it’s becoming something much bigger than that.

This episode marks Part 2 of an ongoing coaching conversation between Luka and me — a dialogue rooted in decades of combined experience inside the fitness and coaching industry. This wasn’t an interview. It wasn’t a highlight reel. It was two coaches sitting down to talk shop about the thing we’ve both dedicated our lives to: coaching done right.

If you haven’t listened to Part 1, you’ll want to head over to Luka’s show — the Vigor Life Podcast — and check that out first. We designed this intentionally as a two-part exchange, spanning both of our audiences, because we believe the future of coaching depends on conversations like this.

Catch the full episode here:


Why This Series Exists

Luka and I go way back. I met him when I was 18 years old. He took me under his wing, mentored me, coached me, and eventually employed me. I trained in his gym for over six years before leaving to build Tailored Coaching Method. Years later, we reconnected — not just as former coach and athlete, but as peers, business owners, and leaders in the same industry.

What’s funny is that once we reconnected, we realized something quickly:
We never stopped obsessing over coaching.

Not content.
Not algorithms.
Not trends.

Coaching.

This series exists because there aren’t enough long-form, honest conversations about what it actually takes to:

  • Become a great coach

  • Stay a great coach

  • Build a career that lasts

  • Lead people responsibly

  • Mentor the next generation

  • And protect the integrity of the industry

That’s what this is about.

Coaching Is a Craft — Not a Trend

One of the biggest themes of Part 2 is the idea that coaching is a lifelong craft, not a phase or stepping stone.

The fitness industry moves fast. New certifications, methods, business models, and marketing tactics show up every year. And while innovation is important, Luka and I both agree on something fundamental:

Trends don’t build great coaches — reps do.

Great coaching comes from:

  • Time under the bar

  • Time with real clients

  • Time failing and adjusting

  • Time mentoring others

  • Time being mentored

  • Time refining communication

  • Time learning how humans actually behave

You don’t shortcut that. And if you try, it always shows.

This part of the conversation is especially important for younger coaches entering the industry. If you want longevity, you can’t just chase what’s popular — you have to fall in love with mastery.

Why Mentorship Still Matters

Another major focus of this episode was mentorship — not as a buzzword, but as a responsibility.

Neither Luka nor I built what we have alone. We were shaped by mentors, challenged by peers, and refined by teaching others. That cycle matters.

In Part 2, we talk about how mentorship:

  • Accelerates learning

  • Prevents unnecessary mistakes

  • Builds confidence and clarity

  • Keeps ego in check

  • Raises industry standards

But we also talk about the other side of mentorship — the obligation it creates. When you’ve been in the game long enough, it becomes your responsibility to give back, to teach, and to help younger coaches avoid the traps you already fell into.

That’s a big reason this series exists. We want to create content that actually moves the needle for coaches — not just entertains them.

Coaching Beyond Programs and Nutrition

One thing Luka and I align on deeply is that coaching is never just about sets, reps, or macros.

Those are tools.
The real work is human.

In Part 2, we talk about:

  • Communication skills

  • Leadership presence

  • Emotional intelligence

  • Accountability without ego

  • Building trust

  • Creating buy-in

  • Helping people think for themselves

A coach’s job isn’t just to prescribe — it’s to guide. To help clients understand why they’re doing something, not just what they’re doing.

That skill separates average coaches from great ones.

Business, Integrity, and Playing the Long Game

We also dig into business — but not in the “get rich quick” sense.

We talk about:

  • Building sustainable coaching businesses

  • Protecting your reputation

  • Making decisions you can live with long-term

  • Saying no to shortcuts

  • Avoiding burnout

  • Creating systems that support your values

The truth is, it’s easy to make money in the fitness industry if you’re willing to compromise. What’s hard is building something you’re proud of ten years later.

This episode is for coaches who care about doing it the right way, even when it’s slower or harder upfront.

Why This Conversation Is Ongoing

This isn’t a one-off collaboration. Luka and I plan to do these conversations regularly — a recurring “coaches talk” series where we sit down, remove the fluff, and talk honestly about what matters in coaching, leadership, and business.

Because the industry needs more:

  • Depth

  • Honesty

  • Mentorship

  • Perspective

  • Responsibility

And fewer:

  • Gimmicks

  • Ego-driven content

  • Shortcuts

  • Noises

Final Thoughts: Obsession With the Craft Is Still the Standard

Part 2 of this conversation is a reminder that great coaching doesn’t come from being loud — it comes from being committed.

Committed to:

  • Learning

  • Teaching

  • Improving

  • Serving

  • Leading

  • Staying curious

  • Staying humble

If you’re a coach — or someone who wants to be — this series is for you.

And if you care about the future of coaching, you’ll understand why Luka and I are so passionate about continuing these conversations.

Next Steps

  • Listen to Part 1 on the Vigor Life Podcast

  • Listen to Part 2 right here on the Choose Hard Podcast

  • Follow Luka and Cody for future episodes and content

  • Reach out if there’s a topic you want us to cover next

There are many more conversations coming — and this is just the beginning.


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